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Forum problems...

As you can tell, we're currently dealing with a few forum problems in our rushed installation.  While things were working find and dandy on the old server, things are a bit... squiffy at the moment.  To try and rectify this at the moment I am:

  • Looking into uploading a new version fo the forum software, though this is only "dev" and "RC" materials so... Well, there is a worry.
  • I'm installing a phpBB3 as a temporary measure if things become unstable or untenable for whatever reason.  I will post the link if an when it becomes necessary to do so (you might be able to guess it, though!).

Again, thanks for your patience as we get over these growing pains.

Kage

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what exactly is the problem? There appears to be a few CSS errors in what Im seeing, but nothing that would require installing phpbb or the dev version of module.

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Ok I take that back now I see it.. its that comment module. setting the comments as flat and remove the user options to resort them. also look at the nodecomment module http://drupal.org/project/nodecomment - very handy for exposing comments as full nodes and available for CCK modification.

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Ah, and that is one of the reasons that I wanted the old site up and running while this one was being developed.  All the things that I had sorted out in the wee hours of the morning still available to me even now.  Heh, I should really just throw this up on my testing server and be done with it.

I also realised that I had nodecomment sorted out on the other site by looking at some of my records.

Now if I could only figure out why I'm getting a validation error every time I try and quote someone, regardless of what account I do it from... Filters, check.  Different browsers, check...

Blagh.  Why was the super-secret test far easier!?

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It was easier because no one was watching :p

assuming your are using the quote module, did you set up the comments as a seperate content type? I believe nodecomment uses "Comment" by defualt.. next would be to got to Admin>>Site Config>> Quote and make sure that the Comments content type associated with the quote module. 

next would be to add div tags to your input filter and then adjust the quote filter render before line and paragraph breaks.

 

the root cause of this is the wysiwyg editors.. sort of.. ultimately is an issue with how Drupal parses html, and the interplay between core, editor, and quotes. 

If you'll notice you can quote the OP without issue, but will hit validation errors when quoting comments.. 

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Strange.  All the settings seem to be correct, nodecomment, the filters have been re-arranged, etc. but it still hits a validation error whenever I try and quote even if I subsequently remote the quote text.

Odd.

Guess I'm cursed so... Everyone close your eyes and the forum will magically fix itself.

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try this -  admin/settings/performance disable caching. and clear all cached data. not a sure fix but a troubleshooting step, as it may be an issue with the particular arrangements of modules and caching.

 

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Interesting.  Caching was already disabled, and flushing the caches didn't do anything. 

I also note that no views of threads are recorded, and we're stuck on 11 replies in 11 topics with 11 members...

And while I think about it, I also had the RC of Advanced Forums up and running on the old site, so wondering if the integration with CTools and Author Pane 2 might improve things.

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yup that would do it.. Im not sure why michelle hasnt just declared CT and AP2 dependencies (though they are technically not required, not having them causes a mess of errors)

so that means we currently are experiencing the Drupal Forms API's Hidden Token Error thats been floating around since 4.7 wherein drupal is unable to validate the hidden token of the form to confirm that it is user input and not cross-site scripting.  On one hand yeah for security, on the other boo for poor documentation in contributed modules! CT and AP2 and an update (if needed) ought to solve this.

by update if needed i mean that forgetting to run the update.php after updating a module can cause this and other wierdness too.

 

as far as post counting, start with the common fix for this issue:  admin/reports/access log settings, enable , clear cache, run cron, check if its fixed.

and then we can work on patching the tpl file for your AF themes to get it to show post counts and threads on the main listing for forums that contain subforums (ie: desipte there being posts in the Castellan subforum they dont appear at the top level listing, you have to enter the Anargo forum to see threads in those subforums.) .. dont worry thats usually not too bad. 

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yup that would do it.. Im not sure why michelle hasnt just declared CT and AP2 dependencies (though they are technically not required, not having them causes a mess of errors)

I shall be looking at installing them this weekend.

by update if needed i mean that forgetting to run the update.php after updating a module can cause this and other wierdness too.

I have yet to run the update.php since I have as-of-yet not updated any of the modules.

as far as post counting, start with the common fix for this issue:  admin/reports/access log settings, enable , clear cache, run cron, check if its fixed.

That option wasn't available to this account.  I'll have to login to uid1 to see if it pops up then.

and then we can work on patching the tpl file for your AF themes to get it to show post counts and threads on the main listing for forums that contain subforums (ie: desipte there being posts in the Castellan subforum they dont appear at the top level listing, you have to enter the Anargo forum to see threads in those subforums.) .. dont worry thats usually not too bad.

Sounds like a plan. That and the bloomin' quotes, but I'll see about AP2 and AF2 in the interim, since with the latter at least it's in alpha...

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if possible, add 'print' option, because the current view IMHO isn't really good for reading up threads. Moreover, only original post tagged as article by browsers, which have 'article view.

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I'm sorry, but you're going to have to rephrase that, zholud.  I couldn't really piece together what you were talking about.  I will, however, look at the addition of a print-specific stylesheet.

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I apologze for being vague in describing the problem. I read from 2 devces

1. 26" monitor, where forum has large empty margins on both sides. Usually in 'print' version these margins are absent.

2. 6" Amazon Kindle, with built in browser. In order to simplify reading on small display of large pages it has 'article view', where it shows only main text without additional frames. On this forum I may read only original, starting post, but not replies on it. This may be will be solved by 'print' version as well.

I hope in became more clear now.

p.s. forum doesn't allow to post with quotes  

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1. 26" monitor, where forum has large empty margins on both sides. Usually in 'print' version these margins are absent.

See the previous response.

2. 6" Amazon Kindle, with built in browser. In order to simplify reading on small display of large pages it has 'article view', where it shows only main text without additional frames. On this forum I may read only original, starting post, but not replies on it. This may be will be solved by 'print' version as well.

There are currently no media-specific style sheets and, to be fair, I'm not entirely sure that I should spend the time developing them for what is clearly the preference of a single individual especially when there are other "broken" aspects to the software that have been identified and which are being worked on.  If you don't like huge margins, then don't maximise the window.  Finding it hard to deal with the Kindle?  It's not exactly a peach to check from my Android either, but since I'm using a telephone as a computer stand-in I deal with the issue.  If I didn't want the issue then I would use a computer.

p.s. forum doesn't allow to post with quotes

Yes, we know.  Validation error for some quirky reason despite the fact that the filters are all in the right order.  That's why another site is being slowly built so that it can replace this one.  See the above about the speed of the transition to the new site.

If you want to quote, feel free to use the handy WYSIWYG quote button that looks like a right double quote. laugh

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It is my hope to continue to work on "fixing the site" in the next week, though probably more the weekend.  My intent is to concentrate on site functionality rather than forum functionality, feeling that the future functioning of the site is more important than the forums at this juncture.

I'm hoping that this thing works out since I would rather have a functioning site rather than a pretty forum. :D

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Sudden and immediate burnout with the 40k universe has prevented me from working on the site recently.  I'm going to ask one or two people to come to the new site and help me testing it out, so if you get a PM please volunteer your time to test the functionality of the new site.  With Christmas and the New Year's coming, however, I don't suspect that I'm going to get anything significant done until then.

At present the only things that still need to be done is to ensure that individuals can upload content to pages (etc.) that they create and for the forums to work reasonably well.  At present I'm trying to determine whether there really is any requirement to get the Advanced Forum module working (the thing that makes it look more like a traditional BBS).

Let me know what you think about this.

Thanks for your contribution.

Kage

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Sorry to hear about your burnout on 40k Kage.  I've sent that paper I was working on off to the chap I'm working with now so I have some free time again and would be happy to help with testing the new site.

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I've held off replying to the email that you sent until there is some indication it would be appropriate.  Let me know.  It would be good to have some people shadowing and "fixing" things on the currently-working site and, later, on transferring the posts from this forum to the new one.

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I think they are probably on holiday for Christmas and thus not responding to emails at the moment.  I'll be able to speak to them about it in person when I go back to work in the new year in any case.

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No worries.  I need to install GETID or something on the new site to stop the spammers.  At the moment I've just stopped site registration, but obviously this is not a solution to the problem.

Oh, and I just got banned from Warseer because I contested the crappy little moderators there.  Yay!  I feel that I have acheived something!

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Anyway, with a bit more free time recently I'm going to bend my activities to fixing the "new" site.  I'm going to start a poll to see what people think about the concept of advanced forums being a requirement.

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Despite the earlier commentary of Skallagrim, everything that I try seems to make the Advanced Forum module go wonky.  Since the only real desire to use the Drupal forum module came out of the ability to cross-post forum content and other materials between content types, I think that it is more important at this early juncture to ensure that we've got the lacking function.

As such, I'm going to re-explore the idea of having separate forum software and using the Drupal installation as a means of representing our content to the wider world.  Conceptually this fits in with what we're doing and creates another layer of security to the content, which is an absolutely great excuse to support this move. :D

On the other hand, if you've got a problem with this other than migration of the small number of threads herein back to a SMF or phpBB, then let me know.  Also, if anyone has a strong feeling for SMF or phpBB let me know.  At present I've got the sneaking suspicion that we would be heading back to SMF even if the themes for the old forum are going to be next to useless (I believe).

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Yeah sorry the two guys I know at the department who are good with drupal have been rather busy developing a new website for the department so they haven't been able to take a look at the problem.  As you say other than it being conceptually nice to 'have everything in the same place' as it were there isn't a strong reason to keep bashing away at trying to get a forum to work in drupal when it would be much easier to have a seperate SMF or phpBB forum.  I don't have any prefence between the two if we do move back to a seperate dedicated forum.

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Fair enough.

My goal is to set the site up with forums and a semantic Explore site very quickly now.  I've got a feeling that you guys are going to have to take over the project sooner than I had imagined.

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 I've got a feeling that you guys are going to have to take over the project sooner than I had imagined.

You have decided you definitely want to bow out of the project?  Sorry I haven't been posting so much myself lately, I've been checking the forum fairly regularly but have been rather busy as I am teaching this term.  When the undergraduates leave in a few weeks I'll have more time again.

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It is looking like that is the case.  I'm certainly not going to renew the domain name on my own, and for similar reasons--I'm teaching at the moment and will be doing so quite a bit in the future.

While I still feel that the Anargo sector is a valid project, I'm just not sure that the "community" really wants it.  The kind of shallow materials that are put out by FFG seem to be what the community wants so, in my mind, let them have it.  I've got some other plans with the Earthdawn/Shadowrun universe anyway... :D

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Fair enough, as is evident I haven't really stopped being busy, though I'm still having ideas and posting things every so often, as with the stuff on the Ecclesiarchy.  I intend to continue in that vein slowly producing material even if it is largely just for my own purposes.

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I'm having a hard time truly sticking to the 40k universe. I mean, I do discuss on other forums some projects here and there and I do like some of the BL novels (some...), however I lack the motivation to stay dedicated to any 40k project. I'm currently potentially commissioned to write some stuff for Miniatures'of the North's "Redemption Sector" which is a setting that is influenced by 40k and Dune with a steampunkish twist and a potential setting for Troll Forged Miniatures.

Outside that it's mostly real life stuff that keeps me occupied and a potential writing gig for a graphic novel.

Lots of potentials there...which is kind of cool and sad at the same time!

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Time and motivation seem to be a general problem for quite a few of the more long-standing members, myself included on the time aspect.  In any case as I've said I intend to keep the embers alive even if it does become a very slow-burning project, as and when people return or new people arrive then it can return to a more lively state.

Also, good luck with the commission Malika, it sounds quite cool.

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Time/motivation's been an issue for me too, lately.  I've been working on putting together an 'After-Action Report' for a raid on a world "just over the line" in the Cruciatine Sector.  Unfortunately, I'm moving at a glacial pace, since the last thing I feel like doing after a day at work debriefing missions, is... debriefing missions...

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Hi,

 

long time go...

 

pity to see the project being as slow as is.

 

All those great things build in the past... will be absorbed by the interwebs...

 

but, yeah, time is an issue.

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And suddenly we have a banner image!  

Has the forum software mysteriously decided to start working, or have I just been missing something all this time?

 

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No sudden mysterious changes as such.  With Kage still feeling rather burnt out on 40k I'm taking over site maintenance and have been gradually learning my way around Drupal and making a few tweaks, one of which was adding a banner image.  What do you think?  It's an old landscape Colrouphobia did that I found on the Anargo Sector photobucket account.  As I learn more about Drupal I will probably continue making little changes here and there, I'll let people know before making any major changes though.

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A revival would be nice. Curious to see what you will do with it. Can't guarantee I will fully participate, but it would be nice to see the project alive again!

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I can't promise anything, but I'll keep the site maintained and occasionally post the odd tidbit like the bit about the Imperial Creed, I am amassing quite a lot of scribbles about the workings of Imperial Hive cities at the moment which I plan to write up eventually with something of a focus on the capital of Tian, the sub-sector capital of Merenas.  I'm also thinking I might dredge what I have in the way of back-ups from the old site and post some of it under a heading of 'archival material' if people would find that useful.

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I've started playing with Drupal again, in particular trying to get some form of Active organic-group-variation of Dark Reign.  Anargo has changed beyond all reckoning so, if you had your druthers (as the expression goes), what would you want from your Drupal website?  

I cannot promise anything.  I'm in the midst of applying for oodles of academic jobs and I'm more focused on publications etc. but... If you're interested in the discussion then I'm more than willing to listen if you're willing to put up with me being vague and not working to deadlines.

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I cannot promise anything.  I'm in the midst of applying for oodles of academic jobs

I can sympathise with that one...

In terms of what I'd want for the site I think top of my list would be getting the forums working a bit better, or failing that putting in a separate forum, which I believe is the set-up Dark Reign has?

I quite like the way Drupal works for the rest of the site, the little Sector Interface I put in might be rather basic, but it does work and was easy to do.  I could poke the friends I have at work who know about Drupal again but they are in the same job applications situation (in case you are interested they designed the website of our department http://www.ast.cam.ac.uk/).  I'm sure if I had the time to put into it I could also learn my way around it a bit better myself, but as with yourself time is not exactly something I have a surfeit of at present.

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